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Continuing discussion on kanji

Part of the trouble, as we saw just the other day with ko-ko-gakko-, is that you don't know Japanese, so you can't be sure if what you're looking at is right or wrong. Exploding Boy 06:45, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

I can be sure with what is right or wrong at least in terms of Kanji by checking them up on Wiktionary (Wiktionary has entries on Kanji)

Not necessarily true. And if you can't speak Japanese or read kanji, you shouldn't be checking kanji for correctness. Exploding Boy 07:41, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
Here's how I can. If I saw a word romanized a certain way, and I question how it is romanized, if the kanji is available, I can check the wiktionary entry for the Kanji. Each entry has all of the different readings for that one character. If a reading matches, the kanji is correct. Here is an example: Wiktionary:忍 WhisperToMe 08:54, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The three readings given for that kanji are にん (nin), しのぶ (shinobu), and しのび (shinobi). So what's the reading of this word 不忍? Exploding Boy 09:27, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

While checking to see if that Kanji romanizes a word not given at all is not the purpose of why I was doing this, I'll give your test a whirl. Since I couldn't pick apart a real word from the start, I knew that "nin" was a common "Ninja-related" suffix, so I assumed that it was the second character in that phrase. To tell if "fu+nin" is a real word, I punched it in Google and came up with some results. I believe that is the word.
As for how I use it, I collect the readings of Kanji and see if they have the romanization I am looking for. For example, I'll do Natsume Soseki (I suspect the Kanji may be in the wrong order - this is how I got it from the Natsume Soseki article.

夏 Ka, Ge, Natsu 目 Moku, Boku, MeSoo, Shu, Susugu, Ugai 石 Shaku, Seki, Koku, Ishi

Here, it's not me checking Kanji for correctness, but checking a romanization for correctness. If I did check Kanji for correctness, I can see if it is "right at all" by seeing if the kanji reading set "matches" that of the target word. I don't know exactly how kanji orders work, but for now, I seem to get by without having to know.

WhisperToMe 16:20, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

不忍 is read shinobazu. Using the Wiktionary to look up kanji is a great way to study, but there are a lot of rules and exceptions when it comes to Chinese characters in Japanese. In Chinese you pretty much have one character with one reading (it's not always the case there either though), but readings in Japanese can change in unexpected ways. For example, 人 is read (jin), (nin), or (hito). As a counter with the traditional Japanese numbers, it can change to (-ri), or (-to). The sound can also change to (bito). You don't get all that information in the Wiktionary entry (look it up: Wiktionary:人).
All I'm saying is that since you don't know Japanese, and you can't learn Japanese on the internet, no matter how complete the lists of romanizations and kanji may be, or how easy you think they are to use, you can never be sure that the information you're adding to articles is right. Keep on editing articles on things you know about, but leave the kanji and romanizations to those who speak Japanese. Exploding Boy 01:37, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Please list WHAT misromanizations I posted. And they should be misromanizations, not just Kunrei or commonly-used Hepburn alternates (e.g. "jyo", "jya", while not standard Hepburn, is used in place if "jo", "ja" by other people, including TokyoPop for some characters) - And also keep in mind some misromanization redirects may be there intentionally. WhisperToMe 13:29, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

For starters, Shinjyuku is wrong, regardless of what you saw on Tokyo Pop. So is Zinbotyo. Unless that's how he spells his name, the article title should not be Ryoutarou. There are just too many to list. Once and for all, please stop messing around with Japanese. You don't know what you're doing. Exploding Boy 14:11, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
1. "Shinjyuku" uses the "jya", "jyu, "jyo" nonstandard spelling, and "Shinjyuku" gets 22,000 google hits. I know that's not a standard romanization but with that many google hits, it should redirect. 2. Jinbocho -> Zinbotyo. Even if Kunrei doesn't follow the m and n rules that revised Hepburn does, Zinbotyo got google hits while Zimbotyo didn't. 3. That seems to be how he spelled his name. The article was there before, or there in another order. WhisperToMe 20:32, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You're just proving my point here. I wasn't talking about the n->m change at all in that case. Please just leave it alone. Exploding Boy 03:49, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
No, I will not. Come to think of it, I'm going to go ahead and ask #ja.wikipedia about this right now. I think that instead of stopping the whole thing, it will be better for me to get answers to some of these questions I have in my mind. WhisperToMe 05:49, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I found the answer too. For ん, it uses syllabic "n" before consonants and "n'" before vowels and y. I had the right one too. WhisperToMe 06:05, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I told you that wasn't what I was talking about. Exploding Boy 06:57, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

The "benefits" would go to "purists" (E.G. people who always put Japanese names in Japanese order) and people who for some reason don't like spelling it the way most people spell it. There aren't many of those people out there, but just in case any would drop in, I placed some redirects. WhisperToMe 17:17, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

ie: exactly no benefit to anybody. Yoko Ono has always gone by that name, for the better part of 50 years and probably a lot longer. There isn't anyone who doesn't know her by that name, by that spelling. Those redirects are a waste of space. They're unnecessary. Exploding Boy 01:37, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
I'd like to add a quote here that seems particularly apropos from what Whisper knows by now is my favorite document: People who care about other romanization systems are knowledgeable enough to look after themselves. (Wikipedia:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles) All that massive numbers of variant spellings do -- whether Hepburn/Kunrei or Commonwealth/US -- is to make it more difficult to move pages if moving them seems necessary: suppose Yoko Ono started asking people to call her Ono Yoko? Or perhaps Yoko Lennon? Then we'd have to go through and edit each individual redirect, which would be ... exceedingly tedious; and since it's probably highly unlikely that anyone on the planet will ever search for 'Yôko Ono', it's all loss and no gain. --Aponar Kestrel 23:03, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)

I think you're being unnecessarily difficult with a seven-year-old contributor, whose items are being listed on VfD by an anonymous proxy. If anything, we should encourage such a young Internet user, not start going into Wikipedia policy debates. I think the best thing for such an entry would be cleanup. And yes, being mayor of a town should warrant an article. Mike H 15:02, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

User:Patricknoddy. To my knowledge, he is the only one. Mike H 15:24, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

My, that's quite the list of contributions for a 7 year old. Exploding Boy


  • Hey, EB...thanks for fighting the good fight over that idiotic micronation article. The whole affair was a sort of epiphany for me. I realized that I was wasting my time not only in fighting that asshole "Gene Poole," but wasting time in general over a cold, unflinching project that seems to eat its young. I'm leaving the project and whether or not I return remains to be seen. Again, thanks for everything. Feel free to drop me an e-mail. - Lucky 6.9 08:09, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Hi EB. I am new here, and need to ask you how can one request an article for deletion? User: Belgsoc

Your user page

Looking good, my friend! blankfaze | (беседа!) 02:33, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Featured Articles

Quoth you: You seem to be confusing Featured Articles and Featured Articles -- huzzat? Jgm 13:53, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yeah. Confusing, innit? We currently have Featured Articles Candidates, Featured Articles and Featured Articles (recently changed to Today's Featured Article). They're all different things. Go figure. Exploding Boy 15:54, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)


Your reversions look entirely sensible to me. You're just chopping out that nasty little piece of pure POV assertion which has no evidence to back it up. Ambivalenthysteria 23:55, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Russian language

Thank you for your comments. Since you though the writing had problems here and there... I understand your reluctance to copy-edit -- the article is long and technical. But may I ask you to specify where exactly, or at least what it was you didn't like, stylistically? A. Shetsen 17:08, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Thank you for your considered support! A. Shetsen 22:02, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

gay stuff

Gay stuff bothers me, but I don't strongly dislike it. I'm not even sure that its wrong, I'm just sure that male homosexuality bothers me to know about. Have a look at this conversation: ([1]/[2]). Anyways, even if I hated gay folks (which I don't) you would need to be a bit more respectful towards me in talk. No one wanted to exclude you, what we did was attempt to exclude the negativity you were inserting into the dialogue. Sam [Spade] 03:47, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Dude, I wouldn't have cared if you were trying to exclude me, I simply objected to being told to "hush." And if male homosexuality bothers you then why do you involve yourself in articles where it's discussed? To be honest, I find your views and many, many of your comments exceedingly offensive. Exploding Boy 04:02, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Finding my views offensive isn't very useful unless (or until, God forbid) we have a hate speech or similar policy. As far as my statements, if you feel I have made a personal attack, please bring it to my attention and I will see what I can do. Sam [Spade] 04:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It's not a question of being useful. I find your remarks offensive. They are misinformed and non-NPOV to the point where they approach (but usually just avoid) being vandalism. This is not about personal attacks, it's simply about your opinions frequently being offensive in the extreme. Exploding Boy 04:12, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
OK... so you simply don't like me? Join the club. Have a chat w user:172, User:AndyL, or User:RickK about it sometime, maybe it will help you unwind. Sam [Spade] 04:17, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I don't know you (luckily), but I certainly don't like your opinions. They are, once again, misinformed and offensive. Please, keep your morality and your god to yourself. Exploding Boy 04:26, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

No. Sam [Spade] 04:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

At least keep them the hell out of articles and the discussions thereof, or stick to editing articles on religion. They have nothing to do with the facts and the realities. Exploding Boy 04:31, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Now might be a good time to go fix a cup of tea, and then come back to reread what you are saying. Sam [Spade] 04:38, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I know full well what I'm saying. Your religion causes you to hold certain beliefs. You're welcome to them, but leave them out of Wikipedia articles and discussions to which they have no relation. Exploding Boy 04:40, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Do you have some specific objection, or are you simply generally maligning my edits? Sam [Spade] 04:49, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Featured Article Candidate: Enigma machine

I and some others have refactored Enigma machine per your recommendations on WP:FAC. What do you think of it now? Thanks. Johnleemk | Talk 12:54, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Despite misinformed comments such as those made by 'Sam', I would like to congratulate you on your contribution to commentary on homosexuality on the site, especially from the Japansese perspective. I hope to add to it. Erolos 14:58, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Incidentally, in the same style as the ones you've done for Japanese magazines, I've been trying to upload this image - [3] - onto the Gay Times page without success. Could you assist me? Erolos 15:24, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yesterday (song)'s candidacy for featured status

The article has been heavily rewritten since your remark/objection on WP:FAC. How is the article now? Johnleemk | Talk 11:16, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've dusted off the thesaurus and rewritten much of the article (for the third or fourth time). I'll understand if it's not up to featured level yet, as I'm not exactly the budding writer, but I hope you'll agree that it's far from atrocious as it used to be, with a mass of semicolons replacing full-stops, mucking up the article. Johnleemk | Talk 14:04, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)


All the double redirects have been fixed. That article needs some work, esp. with the "onyomi" and "kunyomi" stuff being repeated once. Also, the incorrect apostrophe use that you mentioned had been used in the article. Also, should the "nanori" article get merged with the Kanji article? (Nanori is another kanji reading) WhisperToMe 15:31, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Since nanori refers to readings of kanji only used in names, the nanori page could go one of four ways:
- redirect to kanji
- redirect to Japanese name
- redirect to list of Japanese given names
- disambig (rather, just place a list of the above links on the existing page, and leave it where it is
We should probably ask for input before choosing one. Exploding Boy 15:40, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)
I've gone and mucked about with the article in question (fixing the romanization, incidentally, and added... wow, that's a lot more than I thought I added, and on second thought I don't think it really goes where I put it). I think perhaps sections or subsections on ateji, gikun, and nanori should all be included in the main kanji article, next to on'yomi and kun'yomi. (Although I think nanori are generally considered to be a type of kun'yomi in Japan.) --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 09:05, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)


I am flattered by your kind compliment and award. Thank you! -- Emsworth 15:38, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Shodō Images

I was fixing the Kaisho picture that you posted for the Shodō article (It was overwritten by someone.) when I noticed that you did not post copyright information for that picture, your Gyōsho picture, or your Sōsho picture. Are they under the GFDL license? If so, you or I should add the {{GFDL}} tag to them. -- [[User:JoshG|Josh | Talk]] 06:48, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

What I mean is that you should specify what your terms are for others to use them. You could do that by just saying in the description that it is released under the GFDL or is in the Public Domain (or whichever other license you wish to use). The Wikipedia image copyright tags are helpful for this purpose, since they provide short boilerplate messages about an image's copyright status (and they add it to an applicable copyright status category). -- [[User:JoshG|Josh | Talk]] 22:10, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Sailor Moon pages

What would you suggest I do about the (finally) deWhispered Sailor Moon pages Haruka Ten'ō et al? They've got dozens of useless redirects attached to them, and (not being an administrator) I can't overwrite said redirects to move the pages where they need to go. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 09:17, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)

Well, that's a good question. Unfortunately I can't spend enough time on Wikipedia until September to be able to really help. You could list them for deletion on Redirects for Deletion, or contact another admin, or start something on the Conventions: Japanese page (but that might be dangerous...), or even leave a message on WtM's talk page... Good luck. Exploding Boy 03:58, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)


I was just reading your conversation with WhisperToMe. Just wanted to say that ouch, you really found a bastard with 不忍. The compound practically screams "on'yomi", so I would have sworn "funin" if I didn't know that it was a trick question :). The "shinobazu" reading even makes a kind of sense, but only if you already know it (and you're advanced in Japanese grammar). I'll remember that one to also pull it out as an example of a crazy Japanese reading :). Now back to studying Chinese, where life is much saner... --Shibboleth 06:00, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I know. I've often wished I had taken Chinese instead. That whole "one character, one reading thing" really makes sense... Exploding Boy 00:48, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Aum Shinrikyo

Is there a particular reason why Japanese order should be used specifically for AUM figures? In English language mass media, contemporary Japanese figures are commonly referred to in English order. In addition, I did google tests on the guys and found English order was more common. See: Talk:Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway#Japanese_order WhisperToMe 05:19, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I reverted to English order after finding that CNN and the online English Mainichi Shimbun refer to AUM members in English order. WhisperToMe 17:58, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good to see you're back

I know we clashed swords earlier on the Manual of Style, but I wanted to say that it's good to have you back. →Raul654 17:49, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)


Actually, many of the redirects are those that once pointed to "Kunrei-shiki" - They were switched to point to "MEXT". WhisperToMe 19:27, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)


This is why I make redirects using many ways of romanization:

People on the internet tend to spell Japanese names using a variety of non-standard romanization styles. And about Shin-Ichiro Tomonaga, please please look at the page history. The article was there first and google hits show that the Kunrei-shiki form of his name is most widely used in English.

Nowadays, I only add a spelling if it gets at least one google hit. WhisperToMe 01:20, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

One Google hit is not sufficient. It appears, judging from your user contributions history, that you seek out Japanese (and increasingly, other language) pages and add as many redirects as you can think of, 9 or more for some pages. It's ridiculous AND unnecessary. Exploding Boy 17:27, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

You'd be surprised at how other spellings get linked to. I frequently see Japanese names spelled out in circumflexes (something I'm not doing, by the way) as the IMDB uses circumflexes AND other people who see that decide to copy that and put that on Wikipedia. WhisperToMe 05:29, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Anal sex

Hi, I was wondering what your reasons were for the last edit of "Anal Sex"? I was thinking that some of the removed text could have been left in, or moved to a more appropriate page. I'm not sure though, so I wanted to hear your reasons. Thanks! — 18:33, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See the article's talk page. Exploding Boy 18:42, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)


I thought I'd move comment to here on this topic, as we have probably both reached the limits of what is useful in the context of the Hakama talk page. I think that you and I are not too far apart on our view. We both agree that Hakama are worn by sumo wrestlers on certain occasions that are formal for example. What we differ on is whether this merits mention in the article.

I accept that my original inclusion was not properly placed in context, as it is a different use from that in the other martial arts mentioned. However I do not accept that it is not worthy of mention. It is the purpose of an encyclopedia article on items of clothing to mention the the common uses. For example, this is done in the article in question by the inclusion of comment of the use of hakama in weddings and funerals. It is not a requirement to wear hakama at these events in Japan, and it is arguably even rare for a modern Japanese person to wear hakama at a funeral. My, admittedly limited, experience in observing such events in Japan is that a formal dark suit and black tie is by far the most common male attire.

It is my view that sumo wrestlers wearing Hakama on formal occasions is worthy of inclusion in the context of being one of the most common ways that an English speaker would observe the item being worn, especially a formal outfit rather than martial arts or shinto based outfit. Within Japan, news articles associated with major promotions, the victory parade and party, and annual visits to Ise shrine are one of the most common ways that people (especially English speakers) actually see hakama in use. Thus I would suggest that some incorporation of the point is meritworthy. I would welcome your view on this and your suggestion as to a possible comprise in the textual content of the article. Thanks for your reminder about the four tildes by the way. Nashikawa 22:29, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, ok. How about something like
    Sumo wrestlers, who do not wear hakama in the context of their sport,    
    are, however, required to wear traditional Japanese dress whenever they 
    appear in public.  As hakama are one of the most important parts of 
    traditional male formal dress, sumo wrestlers wear hakama when attending 
    appropriately formal functions.  

.....? Exploding Boy 00:45, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Sounds good to me :-), especially with a crosslink to sumo. Would you prefer to add this at an appropriate place or would you like me to? Thanks very much.
Also perhaps given your expertise on traditional Japanese clothing could you answer a question for me. Are setta (bamboo based sandals I think) a subset of zori, or are zori strictly speaking only straw based. I know that sumo wrestlers technically wear setta, but have heard them referred to as zori. Cheers...Nashikawa 19:14, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm not an expert at all, but I have heard non-straw sandals referred to as zori. Strictly speaking, I think setta are leather-soled, zori are straw, and geta are wooden, but I can't be 100% sure. Exploding Boy 23:55, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments -- I guess I'll have to dig deeper into my books to find a definitive answer to my rather obscure question, or ask a Japanese friend! Anyway I added the following to the Hakama article below the paragraph on Mens Hakama usage in modern Japan.

Sumo wrestlers, who do not wear hakama in the context of their sport, are, however, required to wear traditional Japanese dress whenever they appear in public. As hakama are one of the most important parts of traditional male formal dress, sumo wrestlers are often seen wearing hakama when attending appropriately formal functions.

Hope this is OK and thanks again Nashikawa 09:16, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi EB - about the genetic mutilation dispute. Although I'm not involved in that particluar page, I have has long running disputes with certain people who have edited that page lately. DanP and Robert the Bruce for example are both er somewhat problem users who do not always write from a NPOV and are solely interested in circumcisiom and circumcision related articles. I've clashed with both of them. Dan is polite but keeps widening the circ argument to more and more pages - breastfeeding, divorce etc. Robert is rude, agressive, and stubborn. If you disagree with him he will accuse you of being an anticirc activist in cahoots with the likes of Dan. Robert and Dan are on the opposite sides of the circumcision debate.I don't know jakew but I suspect he is one of the same crowd or even a sockpuppet of one of them.
I think it's a very good idea to get the page protected. But I am too involved with these users to do it myself. You need to ask someone else. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 14:40, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)


I've finally written the article on Bugchasing (only six months later than I intended). Given your interest in the article Gay slang, I thought you might be interested in a heads up on it. Hope all is well with you, anyways. — OwenBlacker 13:58, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, will check it out. Exploding Boy 16:42, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)


I have been thinking about doing some work on the Kabuki article. Looking through the page history, it looks like you might be responsible for the bulk of the article. I was wondering what resources did you use for your additions to the article? [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 17:19, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just what I knew from being in and learning about Japan really. But there are a few websites, especially if you read Japanese, and quite a few books available. Exploding Boy 16:21, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)
I will probably be using Donald Keene's "World Within Walls: Japanese Literature of the Pre-Modern Era 1600-1867" as my primary reference. The additions that I will make will be mostly talking about Kabuki as literature and drama. I also want to add some coverage of some of the more important Kabuki actors and playwrights, as well as some of the more important plays. I also think that there should be something about the current status of Kabuki, but I still need to find a good resource for that. BTW: I've nominated the Kabuki article for the Wikipedia:Japanese Collaboration of the Week [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 06:58, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

re: VfD nominations

Earlier today, I believe you nominated three articles to VfD. They appeared to be anon user subpages. The nominations did not come through properly. If you can tell me what you were trying to do, I'll try to help fix the formatting. Rossami (talk) 23:19, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well... they were anon user subpages... I thought I was following the directions at the bottom of the VFD page? Honestly, since the whole thing changed I haven't been able to figure out how to use the damn thing. Exploding Boy 16:26, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)


several of "my experiments" were not mine. i only commented that condi is not jamaican. people are so concerned about using proper racial appellations, and meanwhile someone has changed her national origin.


RE: your comment on the Page5 - Strikers page. I don't know what's up with this guy. I put a note on his talk page and he keeps creating them. I may have to block him. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:04, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Mark McGrath

I saw you had deleted Mark McGrath--I don't believe it was a speedy deletion candidate. If it was to make way for a page move or something of that sort, accept my apology, but I've restored the page and listed it on Vfd. Hope this is just a misunderstanding. Best, [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 18:15, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

See my comments on the talk page. I didn't delete it, or list it for deletion, and I think it should be kept. Exploding Boy 18:25, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)


Hi, I did not respond to your message regarding Jake because I was away from my computer last week. His reverts of Foreskin fetish seem to stop after the article was listed on votes for deletion. -- DanBlackham 10:59, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes, because the article has been reverted to a version he endorses. Exploding Boy 16:26, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Do not threaten me with blocking

I take your threat to block myself and User:Michaelnickarz as a personal attack. Be aware that I have not violated any policy in my communications with w User:Michaelnickarz, nor has he committed any blockable offense in his four edits to this site. Hopefully you have not driven him from the site in your zealous attempts to paint his edit as a "test". I suspect you have. In summary, Do not bite the newcomers, and do not threaten me without cause. Thank you. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam Spade Wants you to vote!]] 17:20, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It was not a threat, it was a warning; you may take it any way you wish. I've not violated any policy either, and nor would I just to give myself the great pleasure of seeing you blocked; I'm not stupid: I'd ask another admin to step in if that were the case, as I stated quite plainly during my candidacy for admin. I'm not interested in spending any time arguing with you, so I'll try to state it more simply: please stop adding sarcastic subheadings on the page of the user in question. If I were you, I'd be busy withdrawing my candidacy for ArbCom while I still had some dignity left. Exploding Boy 17:49, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Kanji for Ikuo Kayashi

I noticed it was removed from the Sarin gas article. Was it actually incorrect? Or was it removed for some other reason? WhisperToMe 05:16, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I removed it because it was the only one that had kanji, which made it stand out. It needs to be all or nothing. Exploding Boy 16:49, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
In that case, I'll see if I can find the kanji for the others... WhisperToMe 23:12, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Google searches with some queries to see if there are lists with English and Japanese turn up nothing for me. It looks like only a native speaker can get the kanji himself/herself... WhisperToMe 23:19, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re: Same-sex marriage article

Are you against platonic love? Please let me advertise it. thank you User: Asexual same sex marriage.

Wikipedia is not a vehicle for your advertising. Please heed the warnings that have been posted on your talk page. Exploding Boy 21:35, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Asexual same-sex marriage

Yes, sorry about that. I will go and fix my comment. Spinboy 22:09, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sex in marriage

About your comment on User talk:Asexual same-sex marriage there is nothing in any modern marriage contract... that requires sexual activity to occur within the marriage to legitimise it

I was under the impression that marriages, in many countries and religious doctrines, required that marriages be consummated, otherwise they would be invalidated. While a marriage can go sexless for many years (and frequently do, in some unhappy marriages) I believed that connsumation was all but expected and required in some societies/cultures/religions. Am I completely off base with my understanding of this?

Irrigardless, I was attempting to explain that the article was more about the gay/lesbian/bi/etc marriage struggle, rather then about marriages of convieniance between roommates who happen to be of the same sex, which appeared to me to be what ASSM was talking about. Just so I'm not misunderstood. Arcuras 23:08, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Not as far as I know, at least not in modern times. But essentially I agree with what you're saying. PS: "irrigardless" is not a word -- it's "regardless." Sorry. Pet peeve of mine :) Exploding Boy 00:20, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Ahh, alrighty then... makes some sense nowadays, concidering how hard it would be to verify/ensure every marriage was connsumated. Thanks! As for "irrigardless"... English major here, we have a habit of making up words just because we can... like, "Disnification". See? Fun! =P Arcuras 00:55, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Robert the bruce

He's agreed to go through mediation with me. Here's hoping it works. Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:17, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good luck. I notice that agreement came only after I listed him for comment. I'd like to see him temporarily blocked for his violation of the 3RR on Foreskin restoration, however. His edit summary clearly shows that he's well aware of the rule and chose to violate it anyway. I would do it my self, but as I'm involved... Exploding Boy 22:22, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Could you please format Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Robert the Bruce correctly? When filing an RFC you really need to follow the template, due to the whole 48 hour thing. I know it's already been certified, but it should still be in the right format. Rhobite 03:39, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Seems to have been done. Exploding Boy 16:51, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:38, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. What's the normal procedure for deleting such pages though? Say if the 48 rule isn't met or if the RFC ends? Exploding Boy 16:51, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Have you seen this homophobic user talk page vandalism - [4], [5] (warning - this is an extremely large (but rather repetative) edit of over 1MB in length - some browsers, and computers, may have significant problems viewing it), and [6]
Nasse/Piglet is the only person to have referred to me as "cheesycake". I suspect that Nasse is using these sock puppets. Note that User:Baffinisland has only 1 edit - the vandalism. Is there any way to have Nasse's IP address checked? CheeseDreams 19:45, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time or regular enough access to the internet to deal with all of this right at the moment. Please ask someone else, and good luck. Exploding Boy 19:59, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

It sounds fine to me, but I'll have to deal with it a little later as I'm extremely busy at the moment. I'll get around to it though; when I do I'll leave you a message. Exploding Boy 20:00, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)


Hi, Neutrality and I are engaged in an edit war. He has also contributed to a request for arbitration (and RfC) against me. He has just blocked me.

Please note that the block occurred just after I had discovered a new RfAr against myself, and was starting to provide rebuttals to it.

I consider this an abuse of his adminship.

Could you look into this action, and consider whether un-blocking me is appropriate? CheeseDreams 23:14, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


And you can't be the emperor of China. The position is taken.

I respect your opinion, but please remain civil and add the appropriate "your Majesty". :-D JRM 13:58, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)

Sock puppets

Hi, could you possibly take a look at this and see whether you think these are sock puppets? If so, could you consider banning them for vandalism (and the use of sock puppets), so that, by use of the autoblocking, it becomes possible to work out who they really are?

[7] (note the phrase "cheesecake"), [8] (warning - this is an extremely large (but rather repetative) edit of over 1MB in length - some browsers, and computers, may have significant problems viewing it)


CheeseDreams 15:29, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Protection Request <-- Jakew and Robert are goign on an editing spree again - they're taking whatever material they don't agree with and biasing the article in their POV. I'm growing tired of this. Revasser 15:16, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • I'll be watching this with interest. BTW Revasser any reason why you think EB is the one to act to protect your POV? - Robert the Bruce 15:23, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can you do something about is still a problem. Can he be blocked? --Samuel Wantman 23:25, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bias and Harassment

Your threats on the user page of JakeW refer.

  • This is an interesting threat and it appears that you want to continue with what you attempted to recruit Dan Blackham into a while ago. You need to check the definition of vandalism for starters. Then I have just checked the user pages of DanP and Revasser who have been at the centre of the revert orgy and both it appears violated the 3RR yet you have made no comment there. I would suggest that if you continue with this harassment there will be no alternative other than to put you up on a RfC to start a process leading to your admin powers been revoked. Your behaviour is a disgrace to Wikipedia. - Robert the Bruce 03:36, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

January 15 Seattle meetup

Just wanted to let you know we are planning another Seattle meetup on January 15, 2005. We're trying to get a sense of who will attend, so please drop by that page & leave a note. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:59, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)